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Callisthenics help you with your muscles and bones and brain help you get faster than you think and eating your heather food like fruits and vegetables

Fix-up[edit]

This page needs an introductory paragraph before the first header. It is also being vandalized, perhaps by a couple people. Oddity- (talk) 01:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it was only vandalized once. Well all I know is the United States section was deleted, but I reverted that. Oddity- (talk) 15:46, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The external link doesn't work... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.69.194.204 (talk) 09:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

This page doesn't seem to adhere to Wikipedia style guidelines. For example, it uses "you" and advises readers to check www.youtube.com for more info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:F51A:1259:9519:CAE4:8946:BA79 (talk) 01:05, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Maybe to do with "hot" Callisthenes of Olynthus was a well-connected Greek historian in Macedon Winkgame (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Squats[edit]

I have generally heard that with squats one generally only wants to bring the legs parallel to the ground, not to squat "as far as he can". I could be wrong, though.

I agree - going beyond this I think is what causes joint damage to the knees.

No it does not do any damage to the knee joint , epsecially not without weight on for high repetitions.

You are doctors or at least sports exercise professionals? No? Then cite your sources. -- Rogerborg 14:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

i disagree, and I don't need a source to prove it. Do a pistol squat all the way until the hamstring touches the calf. Then do one until the upper leg is parallel to the ground. You'll find that going all the way down taxes the quads much more. And come on, if nature didn't want us to be able to bend the knee all the way down, nature wouldn't give us the ability to bend the knee all the way down. You don't need a "medical professional" to tell you that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.250.80.47 (talk) 17:05, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

dive bombing a squat ass-to-grass will cause knee damage because it pulls the knee joint apart. a proper parallel squat (or a little below) will never hurt the knee, neither will a well controlled ass to grass squat. also letting your knees roll inwards or putting the weight on your toes will cause knee damage over time (unless you use very little weight or you have very strong quads). source - i have squatted 580 lbs in competition at a body weight of 174 lb. i also suffered for 2 years after i dive bombed 555 lbs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.65.109 (talk) 20:25, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I suggest you read this scientific biomechanical analysis detailing why the full squat is actually safer. ··gracefool 💬 21:15, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Rest Period?[edit]

Are you supposed to wait a day inbetween calisthenics exercises like you are supposed to in weights lifting exercises? Rayman123 22:45, 28 February 2007 (UTC) It depends on the type of routine you are doing. The pushup routine I am doing requires multiple sets spaced out through the day. Not only does it depend on the routine, but also on the type of exercises. If one performs calisthenic exercises that require enormous amounts of strength akin to weight lifting, such as the one handed handstand push up, the pistol squat, or the hanging leg raise, then it would be advisable to rest at least one day so that muscles can rebuild. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.250.80.47 (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC) This article is sorely lacking in the historical origins of Calisthenics. C'mon people.

Gymnastics?[edit]

"not part od gymnastics" but in this cathegory? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.114.174.153 (talk) 14:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

You suck Marquais james (talk) 07:19, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

preparation for war[edit]

I've come here from [1] where it's reported that the Spartans did calisthenics in preparation for battle. If this was widespread it should probably get a mention here, also some sources as to what the calisthenics they did entailed, was it just general exercise? Pbhj (talk) 14:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Split[edit]

I understand the Australian verion of calisthetics to be something quite different than the term meaning basic excercise. Should they not be split, with a suitable disambig? There would seem to be a lot to write about for both, with different audiences of interested readers.YobMod 15:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Done. Bullzeye contribs 06:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Pictures of calisthenics[edit]

Why is the picture demonstrating calisthenics of smiling, happy Japanese-American prisoners in an internment camp? This is profoundly beeping offensive and I am removing it. anon

Because they're doing calisthenics. Removing the article doesn't alter history. I found the link to Manzanar interesting and it informed me about something I knew little about. This article is linked from that one, most likely why the image was there. If you were so offended would it have hurt to have found some other image to replace it with? Pbhj (talk) 02:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
You are referring to this particular Wikipedia:Featured picture by Ansel Adams? Which he stated was intended to document strength and resilience of internees against all odds? [2] Indeed, a deeply offensive portrayal of a historical injustice. Almost as offensive as the injustice itself. I'll erase all trace of it and put some blander photos up. Feel free to be offended by them. --Whoosit (talk) 17:25, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Dynamic Tension[edit]

Dynamic tension is just the name Charles Atlas gave to calisthenics, the two articles should definitely be merged, this would also help with the bias toward recent sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garushulion (talkcontribs) 14:58, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

I thought "dynamic tension" also involved isometrics? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.83.220.57 (talk) 21:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes dynamic tension is a particular kind of isometric & isotonic strength training, if it were to be merged somewhere it would be to muscle contraction. ··gracefool 22:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Broken see also[edit]

2 of the "see also" links are broken. Are they in need of fixing or removal? Discuss. onyx321 12:24, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

paul wade convict conditioning[edit]

Paul Wade's book "Convict Conditioning" provides an interesting intersection for calisthenics as a means of injury recovery and strength training (his focus).

I've added this new section and hope to add more.

Wade suggests there are a "big six" of exercises: push up (chest), pull up (back), leg raise (core/abs),

and he has a progressively difficult set of 10 versions of each. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.83.220.57 (talk) 23:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

History Section[edit]

Too much of United States slant. That is not the summation of the world or even the English-speaking world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.167.108 (talk) 17:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Merging[edit]

Star Jumps and Lunges aren't "Body-Weight Exercises", Lunges are Stretching and Star Jumps are Cardio/Aerobic Excercises
Body-Weight Exercises, as the name implies, are Weight-based Exercises
Calisthenics are Stretching (Warming up and Cooling down) and Cardio/Aerobic Exercises (Basic Training Exercise)
-- 115.64.47.34 (talk) 04:20, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Lunges are often done with heavy weight, they're clearly not just stretching even if, like many exercises, they may have a stretching component. I agree star jumps are too light to be a strength-based exercise. However they are something people will generally include amongst calisthenics. If you have a reputable source that defines calisthenics that way, you should use it in the article. AFAIK calisthenics have rather broad goals; they aren't focused on any one aspect of fitness. ··gracefool 20:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
in this case there are no mention of weights being used so it should be assumed that the stretching lunge is obvious
weightless lunges are also done in yoga and plyometric exercises
lunges *do* have a stretching component and I am sure that weights *may* be used with star jumps
I think that the best way to define calisthenics with as fewer words as possible is "general development" with the goal being of "physical maintenance"
in schools calisthenics are generally performed before and after physical activity (sports, running and swimming)
-- 115.64.47.34 (talk) 15:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I do not think the article on calisthenics should be merged. In Australia it is an artistic sport, combining gymnastics, marching, singing, simplified ballet, folk and modern dance. There are significant competitions, state and national sporting bodies. Eg http://calisthenicsaustralia.org/ --121.220.104.84 (talk) 22:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Then you should go ahead and add that to the article, if you can quote some good references.··gracefool 08:45, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Mythological origin[edit]

I removed the following section from the article, as I found no mention of it anywhere else. Also, it misspells Callisto and presents the female nymph as a male god.

The legend tells that in a horribly cold day the god Kallisto decided to wrestle hand to hand with his friend the god Yemo (or in English Yemish) to get warmed up. The thing is Yemo hated secretly Kallisto, so they began a fight to death. Kallisto, horrified and about to die because Yemo was very strong, asked for help from the demigod Heracles, who gave Kallisto the skill to move his muscles harmoniously so he could defend himself with grace. The legend ends with Yemo being sent into exile to the barbarian lands.

--5.102.203.219 (talk) 15:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

'Ass smacks'?[edit]

I noticed a section in the article about "smacking one's ass". I'm assuming it's vandalism, but as only both a calisthenics and wikipedia hobbyist I'd rather ask about it than delete. Just seems clearly like a vandal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.152.51.175 (talk) 13:02, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Of course it was vandalism. In future, go ahead and be bold! ··gracefool 💬 21:15, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Hyperextension[edit]

Clicking the link of "Hyperextension" leads to a page that doesn't agree with this one about what a "Hyperextension" exercise is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.140.105.11 (talk) 14:53, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

It does agree - it describes a version without equipment as well as the one described here. Anyway I've edited Hyperextension so it's clearer now. ··gracefool 💬 21:15, 20 March 2016 (UTC)