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Welcome to Wikipedia[edit]

Hello and Welcome! I hope you like the place. --mav 19:09 Jan 25, 2003 (UTC) Nice to meet you all. Let´s see if I can do something useful. Kosebamse

Local anesthetic[edit]

Hi, Kosebamse. Thanks for complimenting my contribution to local anesthetic. Unfortunately, I don't really know much about the topic besides what I touched on--that the targets are voltage-gated sodium channels. I could expand on the molecular details perhaps, but I suspect it's detail that most people wouldn't want to know. Do you disagree? 168... 01:09 Feb 14, 2003 (UTC)

Well, yes, to some degree. I'll be happy to do some more on the pharmacology and clinical uses, but my knowledge about the molecular mechanisms is rather patchy. So if you like you might contribute some details, perhaps one or two more paragraphs? And by the way, I'll move this to the article's talk page where people may look for it. Thanks for your help! Kosebamse

Blood pressure[edit]

Don't worry about the "edit conflict" on blood pressure, the only one that bothered me was 'further' -> 'futher' <G>. If you really want the "non-SI units" in there, feel free to put 'em back. I myself see no reason a torr should apologize for not being a pascal... :) -- Someone else 06:06 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)

I really don't care much about the SI thing, everybody uses mmHg, even the finest peer-reviewed journals. And besides, it looks like a rewarding task to elevate (some) medical articles to staggering encyclopedic heights. Perhaps we should form a Wikipedia task force Find a patient advisory, fix a patient advisory  ;) Kosebamse 06:24 Mar 23, 2003 (UTC)

Message from Marco Krohn[edit]

Hi Kosebamse, the answer to your question: User talk:Marco Krohn.

Rewrite of medicine article[edit]

Hi Kosebamse,
What's your idea for the re-write of the medicine article? How should it eventually look like ? I suppose it might begin with some general background and some info from the prehistoric times, antiquity, the middle ages, 19th century to the current issues medicine is facing. I'd vote to move medical specialties to a separate article. Good you are so brave to undertake the task. I'll try to help out a little as my time allows.
Kpjas 17:04 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

I think that medicine should give a general overview (with or without history, which might warrant an individual entry). There is some valuable material there, which I haven't much bothered to edit, since I currently try to concentrate on cleaning out the enormous and messy list of links that was there before, replacing it with some sensible and short definitions. However this has lead to Internal medicine being nothing more than a list of links, and of course that should eventually be cleaned out, too.
It might be a good idea to move the links section, or perhaps only the branches of medicine to an individual article, but for the time being I've left it where it is. We would also have to consider which links to medicine (there are many) should point to such an article or to individual topics.
I will leave a note to contributors on medicine suggesting that further additions, if not of a general nature, should go to articles on individual topics because otherwise everything could become totally unreadable. Thanks for your help! Kosebamse 17:58 Apr 12, 2003 (UTC)

Caption format[edit]

Hi, about covalent bond. I'm not sure what you mean by changing the layout convention. The new pic is aligned right same as the old one, so I'm not sure what your comment means?Theresa knott

I wasn´t sure whether a break in the caption line is o.k. - looks better to me with it, but thought I should ask ´just to be sure. BTW its the same picture, only the text was changed. Kosebamse 13:15 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)
Oh I see. The caption looks good to me. I don't know if there is any convention not to have a break in a caption, but I dont see why not.The caption is after all quite long Theresa knott 18:10 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

"Gay disease" and NPOV[edit]

Hi, I saw your updates to the Gay disease article. I also noticed you submit a lot on medicine and I was wondering if you would be interested in working on an article on the history of medicine and homosexuality as a replacement for the POV gay disease article? -- Axon

I´m afraid I don´t know too much about the subject. I concentrate on medicine because that´s one of the fields where I occasionally feel well-informed. However, my knowledge on homosexuality_and_medicine is rather limited so I could not contribute much original work. But of course I could go about copyediting and the like. BTW I´m not sure what that article could be named. Homosexuality and medicine, perhaps? Kosebamse 16:37 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply: certainly, I'll be doing some research into this subject and coming up with a first draft based upon the original in gay disease. If I could rely on you to do some research into some of the facts I may uncover and details as and when I need it, I would be most grateful. My knowledge of homosexuality is good, but my knowledge of medicine is non-existant. BTW, Homosexuality and medicine sounds great. Axon 17:37 May 6, 2003 (BST)

Sure, I´ll help if I can but please don´t expect too much. I could check facts from a general medical POV but for specialist knowledge on things like sexually transmitted diseases I´d have to ask for help myself. As for the article, a move to a more NPOV title would be a good first step. Kosebamse 17:01 May 6, 2003 (UTC)
I think you will be a valuable asset to the article because, even if it isn't your speciaslist subject, you will know what questions to ask and where to go for the answers which is more than I do. For instance, you asked some interesting questions on MRSA. Some more information on the subject would be invaluable for the article. I'm working on a new article to go under the new heading and finally delete the POV gay disease one. --Axon 11:54 May 7, 2003 (BST)
Fine with me. Having thought some more about an appropriate title, I believe Homosexuality and health might be the most neutral expression. Kosebamse

Hi Kosebamse. Sorry its been a while but I finally did some work on those articles you metioned. Currently I have moved gay disease to Homosexuality and medical science asp er our previuos discussions. Please let me know what you think and any suggestions you may have. I also created a similar article on Homosexuality and psychology if you are interested. --Axon Tue Jul 8 16:14:53 GMTDT 2003

Hi. I´ve been away myself and it looks like I can´t stay here as much as did earlier this year, but I´ll have a look at your articles and let you know what I think. WikiRespect, Kosebamse 17:23 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Åland geography and Finnish names[edit]

I would suggest Turunmaan saaristo for Åbolands skärgård, but my understanding of Finnish suffixes is too bad!

Then one ought to consider if Turun saaristo/Åbo skärgård is a subset of Turunmaan saaristo or if they maybe are situated adjacent to eachother.
-- Ruhrjung 08:37 19 May 2003 (UTC)

BTW: I hope you are familliar with the significance of the archipelago in the context of Finnish-Swedish relations? In the early 1920s, when the Åland-dispute was taken to the League of Nations (by Sweden), the Swedish government used as an indication of the islands' closeness to Sweden a map on which the archipelago didn't exist. This is still a thing Finns (not the least Finlandssvenskar) might mention (in late nights) when they consider the catalogue over The Sinns And Betrayals Of The Swedes.
-- Ruhrjung 10:25 19 May 2003 (UTC)

Then, of course, Åland was the codeword for the bitterly failed Finnish hopes of the 1930s to get military support from Sweden. (Unfortunately the support was too big to become forgotten by the Swedes, but too small to be remembered by the Finns.) -- Ruhrjung 17:47 19 May 2003 (UTC)

The status of the Åland archipelago, and in particular the fact that Finnish is not (or not much) spoken there, seems to tickle Finnish, erm... nationalist feelings. There has been a near-vandalistic edit to the Åland article concerning the Finnish language, so I believe we should stay most carefully NPOV here and give Finland every credit where credit is due. Turunmaan saaristo seems fine. If I am not entirely mistaken, that is what is printed on Finnish nautical charts of the area between Åland and the Finnish mainland.
Kosebamse 11:26 19 May 2003 (UTC)

Yes, but the question remains: Why call it "Åbo" skärgård and not "Åbolands" skärgård. Please note that I do not know, and I've not yet become involved enough to find out. ;-)
-- Ruhrjung 17:47 19 May 2003 (UTC)

That question is quite beyond me. There are archipelagos that are named after a city (e.g. Stockholm) and there are those that are named after a region. I seem to recall that in this case it´s the city not the region but I may be mistaken due to different terminology in English or German. However, I don´t have my nautical literature at hand and therefore I´m afraid can not help solve the question right now. For now, I´ll leave the article the way it is but would be grateful for any further enlightenment in this matter.
Best regards,
Kosebamse 19:39 19 May 2003 (UTC)

I had the oppertunity to check with a knowledgable Finnish aquaintance (although not Finland-Swedish). Åboland is a neologism, with origins in the 19th century language-feud. Åboland includes, according to him, Åbo skärgård, Åbo stad and the swedophone area along the coast. To call the archipelago Åbolands skärgård would, still according to my source, stress its Swedishness, which has some value as it is outside of the autonomous province of Åland, but it might, similarly, disturb sensitive Finns as an unneccessary demonstration against the fennophones, in particular as it might give an exaggerated impression of the Swedishness of the archipelago.
-- Ruhrjung 20:47 19 May 2003 (UTC)

Well, fine then, let´s leave it at Åbo skärgård. One _might_ find some chart or piloting book that has both terms, but I think it is really not that important. Unless Åbolands skärgård has some political definition (province or the like), in which case it would have to be listed somewhere under Finnish matters (but not necessarily wrt Åland geography). Thanks for your help! Kosebamse 21:14 19 May 2003 (UTC)

Nomenclature for muscles[edit]

brachialis vs brachialis muscle
I can see what you mean about this muscle. It does make it two words though. There is no other brachialis that i know of. The NZ native pohutukawa, might be refered to by many as pohutukawa tree, but i'd say the former term would be the best wiki entry for it.
What about the other muscles? i've seen a few that perhaps should also have muscle within the wiki. But for most, (especially those that are already two or more words,) i don't think it is necessary.
What other muscles do you think need changing? Tristanb 01:07 24 May 2003 (UTC)

I don´t know if any need changing, but we should keep the terminology consistent to avoid inaccuracies.
There is, to my knowledge, only one human muscle whose proper anatomical name is single-worded (the platysma, but I may have overlooked some others). Of course you could refer to any other muscle as, say, "the biceps", and that is often done in clinical slang, but it is just that: slang. In a textbook or lexicon, you would always find it as "biceps brachii muscle" or in Latin, "musculus biceps brachii".
Some muscles are known in common language by single-word names, such as the biceps or a few others that are of relevance to athletes, such as the serratus. This is, however, where confusion starts, as there is indeed another biceps, the biceps femoris, and there are two different serratus muscles.
IMO the clean solution would be to have entries for such popular things as "biceps" under single-word names, but these must then redirect to a page with the proper anatomical name (which is BTW "biceps brachii muscle", not "biceps brachii (muscle)" as I am sure some would suggest). Less popular things should stay unter their anatomical names and not require any redirects. Kosebamse 07:40 24 May 2003 (UTC)

With the biceps/biceps brachii example. I made biceps a disambiguation-type page, with a note that it most commonly refers to biceps brachii.
I don't see too much wrong with having an article serratus anterior, with serratus anterior muscle just being a redirect. Leaving out the word muscle avoids the problem of the Latin version being used.
On the other hand, I wouldn't want a new article vagus, written about the vagus nerve.
So... on balance i probably agree with you.
BTW do you want to move/copy this discussion to Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia medicine standards? (it'd keep my orphaned comment company).

The disamb page solution seems fine, after all most people would look there first. I just want to make sure that proper scientific terms are used as headings wherever possible. And thanks for the link , I´ll copy this to that page (and perhaps some more stuff that I wrote earlier). Cheers. Kosebamse 11:56 24 May 2003 (UTC)

Map of the Baltic Sea (made by Pit)[edit]

moin! I told you to translate the Ostsee-map for you. so did I. i hope its ok. done quick and dirty. : ) pit 20:56 31 May 2003 (UTC)

File:Baltic sea map.jpg

Moinmoin! Looks fine to me, but isn´t it a little large? (Sorry, I really have no clue about pictures, particularly when it comes to putting them into wikipedia). Thanks a lot, Kosebamse 21:02 31 May 2003 (UTC)

ok. i could make a smaller preview-version with some kind of big picture link to this one. pit 21:13 31 May 2003 (UTC)
Great. I´m logging out for now but will have a look tomorrow. Thanks a lot, Kosebamse 21:16 31 May 2003 (UTC)
you're welcome. pit 21:18 31 May 2003 (UTC)


Congratulations, you have just been made a sysop! You have volunteered for boring housekeeping activities which normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops basically can't do anything: They cannot delete pages arbitarily (only obvious junk like "jklasdfl,öasdf JOSH IS GAY"), they cannot protect pages in an edit war they are involved in, they cannot ban signed in users. What they can do is delete junk as it appears, ban anonymous vandals, remove pages that have been listed on Votes for deletion for more than a week, protect pages when asked to, and help keep the few protected pages there are, among them the precious Main Page, up to date.

Note that almost everything you can do can be undone, so don't be too worried about making mistakes. You will find more information at Wikipedia:Administrators, please take a look before experimenting with your new powers. Drop me a message if there are any questions or if you want to stop being a sysop (could it be?). Have fun! --Eloquence 18:44 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Vandal pages watchlist[edit]

In case you didn't already know, I've created a group watchlist of sorts at Wikipedia:Favorite pages of banned users to help with tracking when Michael is vandalizing (and any future vandals like him). So feel free too use it, I have already found it helpful, and please add to it when he vandalizes more. Thanks. MB 22:13 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)

More michaelism[edit]

Heh, that was kind of funny, the first Punk reversion someone else beat me to today, as far as I can tell, was on my own talk page. ;) -- John Owens 23:11 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

You are not alone. Cheers, Kosebamse 23:15 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Holiday notice[edit]

Holiday notice I'll be away for quite a while. No Wikipedia, no nothing. It's been a great lot of fun. Email (through the link at the left of this page) always welcome. Cheers, Kosebamse 08:11 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Have a fun holiday. It is great to get away from the computer once in a while and visit someplace new. :) --mav

Arezzo, Italy[edit]

Hello. My only "ongoing contribution" to "Arezzo, Italy" was to put the article into standard format. After I realized there was an older article I incorporated the information in the new article into the old one and redirected. -- Mike Hardy

Clitoris poll[edit]

I thought you might be interested in the opinion poll going on now at Talk:Clitoris. MB 17:52 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Humor and the lack thereof[edit]

-D Thanks for letting me do the "honors" for Cream pie... -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 18:02 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I would have deleted it right away - clear sign of lack of humour... BTW, your ":-D" when starting a line looks like "-D" (what does it mean, anyway?) Kosebamse 18:12 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Actually it means "Wide open grin (optionally with teeth showing)". But to define it so precisely I am now exposing in turn the pedant in myself ;) -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 18:20 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

OIC. But -D would then be "semi-decapitation" wouldn't it? (Or perhaps "my first birthday cake") Kosebamse 18:28 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Or in this instance "Grinning eyes closed and waiting for the cream pie to land". -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 18:32 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Boyer affair[edit]

Thank you for your insightful and well-written comments on the Boyer matter. -- Kat 17:51, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your compliments. This whole affair is rather unpleasant, but on the other hand it gives us a chance to discuss the matter and, hopefully, develop a policy before things get worse. I even think I've seen a page yesterday where "do not create articles about yourself" was dicussed but unfortunately I can't find it again. Did you happen to read it by any chance? Kosebamse 18:49, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Message from Mintguy[edit]

Thank you for your support regarding my admin status. Ireally appreciated it. Mintguy 22:22, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Messsage from Murrayof[edit]

18th street gang isn't very relevant? Isn't very relevant to what? What is it important that something be relevant to in order to be included in Wikipedia? A better question is whether the entry is accurate, but that can be worked on.

Context: placed on my user page by User:Murrayof in response to my placing 18th Street gang on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. My text was: "Sorry, don't know much about this, but it looks rather irrelevant."
Answer: I tend to believe that Wikipedia should concentrate on subjects covered by a classical encyclopedia before dealing with street gangs, but given my ignorance of that subject I'll leave judgement to others.Kosebamse 04:57, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)


Talk:Xylitol - you were going to translate?

Cimon Avaro and Dysprosia already did some work on it, and for the rest (some chemistry facts) I unfortunately don't know where to look for fact-checking. However, the article is a fine stub for now.Kosebamse 11:35, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)


When you list a page on Votes for deletion you must say "Listed on Votes for deletion" on the page you are listing. Otherwise the page will not get deleted. --mav 23:43, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

It seems that there is some ongoing discussion about this, but I agree that it's a reasonable policy. Will try to remember in the future, and thanks for the advice. Kosebamse 11:35, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

HLA thanks[edit]

nice edit on HLA. I should be more careful when editing after a blue martini <G>... -- Someone else

'twas a pleasure ;-) - and it's good to see medical matters gradually receive the attention they deserve. Cheers, Kosebamse 08:50, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Message from Irismeister[edit]

moved from my user page: "Sage nicht alles was du weisst, aber wiesse immer alles was du sagst" Omama (my grandmather, DW) - Don't say everything you know, but try at least to understand what you say (my translation ; ) OK, thank you Kosebamse. I'll try to learn the rules of the house faster.

Netter Spruch - wenn da nicht schon Montaigne stünde, bliebe er auf meiner Userpage. Willkommen bei Wikipedia. Kosebamse 13:46, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Wow, ain't that nice ? Omama is better than Montaigne and Francis Bacon ! Well, I put my own lower bit on

Aaland here (too much for Wikipaedians?) :

Mic about List of islands[edit]

Hi there! It seems I had the same idea as you. I just launched a reformat of the structure of List of islands which also created a number of sub entries. It is an anomaly that the list is structured over both continent (or ocean) and countries, but it was the only simple way that this monster list could be broken into parts. One consequence of this is that the country articles, especially for Europe and the United States, at present only contains islands conected to the respective continent. I feel that the list now is a lot easier to handle, but there is still a lot of room for improvements. What are your ideas on the structure? Best regards! -- Mic 12:21, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)

More discussion on your page - Cheers - Kosebamse 12:52, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Internet child pornography article[edit]

"If you were interested in contributing valuable information, you would spend your time making your text neutral and inoffensive, instead of defending it in its current state."

Thanks, point taken. A question (because of my limited experience with Wikipedia) — if I have a draft version of some additions, as well as some ideas for minor sections (just a few words describing a new paragraph that probably should be added). What should I do:
  1. Search for necessary information and write everything that I think should be added &mdash then post.
  2. Post it as it is, because someone might be better suited for writing some of the text.
  3. Post it as it is to Talk and leave the main article untouched for the time being.
Paranoid 12:00, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It depends very much on what you're actually writing about, whether it's a popular topic with many edits being made in a short time, and how good your knowledge on that particular topic is.

  • If you're just starting an article, it's probably a good idea to have it largely finished before uploading it. When I write a new article (except for stubs: sometimes you just have to write one to replace junk or if a definition is badly missing), I often go to the point where I feel it is 80% done, then upload it to see whether others will help me finishing it.
  • If you are adding to something that looks rather raw, you probably don't have to be too meticulous as long as it's clear that it is still mostly a "work in progress".
  • When adding to a much-debated and/or well-polished article, be prepared for criticism and think it over twice before making an edit.
  • When unsure, it's up to you to decide. You can either be bold (but in that case, it's good style to take part in the ensuing debate and back your edits with arguments), or take the matter to talk pages to sort it out with others.
  • Most important of all, respect others and concentrate on writing good articles rather fighting over/against persons.

Please feel free to come back for further talk. Hope that helps and best wishes, Kosebamse 15:00, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, that helped. I still need to adjust a bit to find the best balance between write-review-edit-review and edit-all-together-at-the-same-time, but I hope that understanding will come with time. :) Paranoid 16:59, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

HIV and AIDS[edit]

Hi, I'm not opposed to your edit on HIV test, but there are some half-reasonable people who question HIV-AIDS, see AIDS reappraisal. Cheers, AxelBoldt 10:30, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sure, I have read that reappraisal article BTW, but methinks it would go too far ;) to discuss it everywhere. That reappraisal article is linked to from HIV and I would think that is enough, don't you agree? Cheers, Kosebamse 17:47, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Holy Trinity[edit]

What's N/G/W? Angela

An incantation of our Holy Trinity. NPOV/GFDL/WikiLove, as mentioned (coined?) here by a certain Angela ;-). Love, Kosebamse 22:25, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Oh! :) I like it. Angela


Thanks! I'm doing this from my PDA, so I can't edit anything >255 chars. BCorr ¤ Брайен 14:19, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)

That's true devotion (or addiction). My best compliments, Kosebamse 14:29, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Thanks again. And I think it's fair to say laptop is in the shop and I'm not at work today.... -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 20:22, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)